12/31/2023 0 Comments Classes proficiency unarmed strike 5e![]() ![]() But for some reason, taking a level 2 feat gets to extend that to include any and all unarmed attacks that they ever get their hands on. ![]() All other weapons that they find have to be used at the normal proficiency. The Fighter proficiency went to great care to only allow the higher proficiency rating for the specific weapons chosen. But it also means that Fighter gets to have their legendary proficiency apply to another entire set of attacks.Īnd that seems a bit above the power curve. Which means that Wizard proficiency for their attacks gets to scale. So the wording is keyed off of any certain weapons. But that would leave Wizards out in the cold. It would be more in-line with power-level expectations of a level 2 dedication feat for the proficiency to scale along with the proficiency granted by the core class to simple weapons. What is unclear is whether that is intended or just a glitch caused by poor wording choice. Then Martial Artist expands that to all unarmed attacks. Yes a fighter can select swords or bows or clubs or brawling as their favourite weapon group. Gortle wrote: I'm struggling to see any uncertainty here. ![]() I'm struggling to see any uncertainty here. Isn't that a case of "if it's too good to be true."? I certainly would not mind that being the case (what with being a bit of a Fighter fanboy), but that would mean a Fighter could pick, say, Clubs as his favourite weapon group and still cast Fist at the same proficiency level as weapons of the Club group. So would getting Master/Legendary in Brawling weapons/attacks, which happen to include Unarmed Fist, but also such things as Simple Knuckle Duster or Martial Pantograph Gauntlet then also count for boosting the base Unarmed skill rank? "Whenever you gain a class feature that grants you expert or greater proficiency in certain weapons, you also gain that proficiency rank in all unarmed attacks." The question then would be if the Martial Artist really works that way. So a natural attack from Battle Form, emphatically not being in the 'Brawling' weapon category, would not apply. The only 'group' that applies to Unarmed attacks is weapons/attacks in the 'Brawling' group of weapons/attacks. Your proficiency rank increases to master with the simple weapons, martial weapons, and unarmed attacks in that group, and to expert with the advanced weapons in that group. Then combine that with a high level mutagen for an above average item bonus, or a druid wild shaped for a permanent +2 status bonus for the some of the best attack values in the game. But Fighters can take the Martial Artist Dedication and still get their legendary proficiency in unarmed attacks. And Druids can get close with their +2 bonus. Without a weapon group, even Fighter isn't better then any other martial class. If Battle Form attacks were Brawling group? Compare a Fighter's attack bonus to anybody else's when focusing on Brawling. ![]() So, to give a cliff notes version - a literal interpretation says that there isn't a default weapon group for unarmed attacks, so the lack of a specified weapon group means the attack has no weapon group, but that is definitely an oversight and the RAI is that you should use the brawling weapon group for those attacks. It is one of those ambiguities/oversights in the rules where the correct GM ruling/RAI is glaringly obvious. It is definitely an oversight - many ancestries do specify the weapon group of their unarmed attack, and the lizardfolk do get a feat (Iruxi unarmed cunning) which grants their unarmed attacks access to the critical specialization effects, so them having a weapon group is required for that feat to work.Īs far as I can tell, there isn't a general "unarmed attacks are brawling" rule, instead it is usually specified with each unarmed attack that they are brawling (or sling for ranged attacks).īut, no GM in their right mind would tell a player that they don't get the brawling critical specialization from Iruxi Unarmed Cunning and a lizardfolk's unarmed attacks. ![]()
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